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Death of Jesus,Sign of Jonah,and Muslim lack of Knowledge(or Worse)

PRELIMINARY INFO:
We have:

1.CARMEN CHRISTI(Son of Messiah,Latin)(45-50 AD)

It is a hymn-creed of early christians,in PHILIP 2:6-11(it says 3X Jesus is God and DIED on CROSS).

Jonah et le poisson

Jonah et le poisson

2.Q(or gospel of Q)(50 AD):

It is 230 verses/50 sayings that are COMMON to MATT-LUKE,absent from MARK.

Q has the SIGN OF JONAH saying in:

a.Luke 11:29-32:SON OF MAN will show SIGN of JONAH.

b.MATT 16:4:only says SIGN of JONAH,Son of Man phrase is absent.

c.MATT 12:39-40:SON of MAN will be 3 days and 3 nights in “HEART of EARTH.”

3.The 1 Corinthians15:3-7 creed(from 33-38 AD)

It was held by first disciples,it has Jesus died,buried and rose on 3rd day.It’s very early origin was formulated by SKEPTICAL scholars.

4.Hebrews

It is directed to JEWS in JERUSALEM,internal evidence says it’s from BEFORE 70 AD(HEBREWS 13:10-11 has Temple still there with High Priest).It says Jesus DIED.Also equates HOLY SPIRIT with GOD(HEBR 3:7-10 cites PSALM 95:7-11,directed to God,and says it’s about the Holy Spirit).

5.PRE-MARCAN PASSION NARRATIVE

Several scholars say content of chapters 14-16 of MARK are very early,one Marcan specialist put it at 37 AD,it was RUDOLPH PESCH.So?Chapters 14-16 says Jesus DIED and RESURRECTED.

6.EBIONITES

There is debate is whether they existed before or after 70 AD.For those who prefer before 70 AD,this Jewish-Palestinian group also believed Jesus DIED and RESURRECTED

The Muslim Claim

SHABIR ALLY says “the earliest material(he rejects 1 COR 15,saying in effect,Paul invented it)the gospel of Q does NOT say Jesus died because it has the SIGN of JONAH and Jonah didn’t die”.

BURIAL CUSTOM IN PALESTINE

From 30 BC to 70 AD the Jews there would put a dead body in a CAVE,covered with cloth.

One year later they would get the BONES and put them in a BONE-BOX(ossuary).We have 1,000 ossuaries,of which 200 have names.They did NOT dig a hole,put earth over the body,put it UNDER GROUND(in the HEART of the EARTH),put it in a GRAVE.

IN THE HEART OF EARTH

Here is a link to show the contents of Q:

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/q.html

MATT 12:39-40 has the SON of MAN(Messiah) to be in the “HEART of the EARTH” for 3 days and 3 nights.

SO?

Jews then did not put the dead in a grave.Using the phrase “HEART of EARTH”Jesus was saying he would REALLY be DEAD.No waking up from a COMMA in a cave allowed.Shabir Ally lacks knowledege,after 20 years research,or otherwise.So Q does say Jesus died,not what Shabir Ally says in debate after debate using Q in his argument.

DID JONAH DIE?

It could be.He was in a big fish for 3 days and he says he was “in the BELLY of SHEOL”(Jonah 2:3).SHEOL is the LAND of the DEAD.Either he was using a metaphor or really died and was resurrected.This can also go in favor of SIGN of JONAH meaning really dying.

http://www.biblegateway.com/

THE MOST POPULAR RELIGIOUS SONG IN ENGLISH:

It is “Trading my Sorrows”,also called “Yes,Lord”.Beautiful,check it out:

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More on Sura 65:4 and Pre-Puberty Wives

I began on this in:
http://www.avraidire.eu/2010/04/is-the-koran-in-favor-of-having-pre-puberty-wives/

SURA 65:4:
“And for those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time will be three months, and of those too who have NOT had their courses; and for the pregnant women, their prescribed time is till they give birth.”

NO WAITING PERIOD IF NO SEXUAL RELATIONS BEFORE A DIVORCE

How do we know 65:4 refers to 3 MONTHS to see if she is PREGNANT?Because in SURA 33:49 it says to divorce a woman you have NOT TOUCHED(no sexual relations) you do NOT have to wait anything.

SURA 33:49:
“Oh you who believe! If you wed believing women and DIVORCE them BEFORE you have TOUCHED THEM, then there is NO waiting period. But content them and release them handsomely.”
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/033.qmt.html

ANALYSIS
Taking “those who have NOT had menstruation” as pre-puberty wives then since they have to wait (divorce not immediate like in 33:49)it means there was a sexual relation.

KRISTINALOVESJESUS AND HER VIDEO ON THE SYNOPTICS WRITTEN BEFORE 70 AD
I had argued in favor of it before.She is a 20 year old girl who has important things to say:

INTERNAL EVIDENCE IN FAVOR:
1.LUKE-ACTS ends in 61 AD with PAUL still alive.In ACTS 21/then 27-28 the author begins saying WE and US:he becomes Paul’s companion.
2.The consensus(at least 95% agreement) of scholars is LUKE-ACTS/ MATT came 10 years AFTER MARK.
3.That puts MARK at 51 AD.
4.The Synoptics(Matt,Luke,Mark) all have a NOT NAMED man cutting an ear the night Jesus was arrested(Matt 26:51/Mark 14:47/Luke 22:50).Later JOHN(90 AD) tells us it was SIMON PETER(John 18:10).Why?To not get PETER,one of the 3 top church leaders(with PAUL and JAMES),into trouble.In 61 AD he was STILL alive(killed by Emperor NERO in 64 AD).
5.The technical reason scholars put MARK at 70 AD at EARLIEST is because prophecies are impossible and they have Jesus prophesizing the destruction of the TEMLE(Mark 13:1-2/Matt 24:1-2/Luke 21:56)and JERUSALEM(Luke 13:33-35/Luke 19:41-44/Matt 23:37-39).

MISSING HISTORY
If ACTS is from 80-85 AD(it’s a history of church AFTER Jesus)then WHY omit:
1.Death of JAMES,head of Jerusalem church)in 62 AD.To show he was sincere.
2.Death of PETER and PAUL in 64 AD.To prove they weren’t charlatans.
3.Mention of fulfillment of Jesus’ prophecy(Temple-Jerusalem).To show he was a real prophet.
Why omit 20-25 years?No real answer.

HER VIDEO “All NT Books written Prior to 100 AD”:
She makes a comparison:she gives modern PARALLELS using PEARL HARBOR and the WORLD TRADE CENTER(people writing histories of it and not mentioning them):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR_f_veY11k

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