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Partage de la charia et entraide

L’État indonésien est fondé sur la doctrine de la Pancasila, qui comprend la croyance en un Dieu et un engagement à l’unité nationale. Tout citoyen est tenu de suivre l’une des cinq religions. Depuis plusieurs décennies, cette idéologie a contribué à promouvoir la stabilité, l’harmonie et l’égalité entre les différentes communautés religieuses, y compris les chrétiens et les musulmans.

Mais les années 1980 ont vu les débuts de l’islamisation, et la crise économique de la fin des années 1990 précipita la violence commise par des extrémistes islamiques contre les chrétiens, y compris dans certains domaines, une campagne de grande envergure de nettoyage ethnique. Dans le centre de Sulawesi et Maluku îles des centaines d’églises et des milliers de maisons ont été détruites; selon certaines estimations 30.000 chrétiens ont été tués .

Les conditions de vie pour les chrétiens dans ces régions se sont détériorées et elles restent sous pression dans les nombreux endroits où il ya des majorités musulmanes. L’objectif à long terme des extrémistes est de mettre l’ensemble de l’Indonésie sous le règne de la charia, et suite à une insurrection islamiste prolongée sur le territoire de la province d’Aceh a déjà atteint un certain degré d’autonomie du gouvernement national et a introduit des éléments de la charia. En Papouasie, l’armée a brûlé un certain nombre de villages chrétiens et tué leurs habitants, et dans une politique appelée «transmigration», les musulmans javanais ont été encouragés à s’installer dans la partie ouest de la province, qui est maintenant une zone à majorité musulmane et est à accorder une autonomie spéciale. La même politique est maintenant appliquée à l’Moluques.

Selon les chiffres officiels, les chrétiens sont aujourd’hui plus de 10% de la population indonésienne de près de 240 millions, bien que les églises affirment que la proportion réelle peut être sensiblement plus élevée. Mais le pays a aussi la plus grande population  musulmane du monde.

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Allah n'est pas Omniscient dans le Coran

La bataille d’Uhud,pres de la Mecque,fut en 625 apres Jesus.Une armée de 3,000 Mecquois a vaincu 1,000 musulmans.Les musulmans etaient sous le choc.Allah dit que la raison de la defaite etait pour PERMETTRE a Allah  de savoir qui etait un vrai croyant ou qui ne l’etait pas.

Sourate 3:140:

“Si une blessure vous atteint, pareille blessure atteint aussi l’ennemi. Ainsi faisons-Nous alterner les jours (bons et mauvais) parmi les gens, afin que Dieu reconnaisse ceux qui ont cru, et qu’Il choisisse parmi vous des martyrs – et Dieu n’aime pas les injustes.”

http://oumma.com/coran/afficher.php?NumSourate=3

Dans les autres traductions

La traduction des musulmans anglophones (Pickthal(converti britannique)/Shakir/Yusufali) contient la phrase a l’egard d’Allah “may know”,”pouvoir savoir”)

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/003.qmt.html

La traduction espagnole (des musulmans)

C’est ecrit:

“para que(pour que) Allah distinga (verbe “differencier”)quienes (qui) son los que creen(verbe”croire”).”

http://www.nurelislam.com/coran/index.htm

Analyse

Le texte dit litteralement qu’Allah n’etait pas capable de savoir avant la bataille d’Uhud qui etait un vrai croyant.

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Allah in the Koran is not All-Knowing

In 625 AD was the battle of UHUD,near Mecca,where 3,000 Meccans defeatd 1,000 Muslims.The Muslims were in shock.Allah says he let them be defeated so he COULD KNOW who was a real believer,who wasn’t.

Sura 3:140:

“If you have received a blow, the (disbelieving) people have received a blow the like thereof. These are the vicissitudes which We cause to follow one another for mankind, to the END that ALLAH MAY KNOW those WHO BELIEVE and MAY CHOOSE WITNESSES from AMONG YOU; and Allah loves not wrong-doers.”

Mecca today

Mecca today

English translations

The 3 Muslims(PICKTHAL(British convert)/SHAKIR/YUSUFALI) all say “MAY KNOW” in regard to Allah:
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/003.qmt.html

SPANISH TRANSLATION(by Muslims)

It is written:

“para que(so that/in order to) Allah DISTINGA (verb “differentiate”)QUIENES (who) son los que creen(verb”to believe”).”

http://www.nurelislam.com/coran/index.htm

FRENCH TRANSLATION(by Muslims)

It has:

“AFIN(so that/in order to) que DIEU RECONNAISSE CEUX(God SHOULD RECONIZE those) qui ONT CRU(have believed).”

http://oumma.com/coran/afficher.php?NumSourate=3

Giving due credit

The info comes from NAKDIMON,who participates in answeringmuslims.com.I found the information in one of his youtube videos(rebuttals to SAMI ZAATARI,a Muslim).It is in minute 1:45 of his video.He is Jewish and also a believer in Jesus:

Here is the beginning of his rebuttal of SAMI ZAATARI:

ANOTHER JEWISH BELIEVER IN JESUS

JOEL ROSENBERG identifies with the Jewish people.His father is Jewish(and also a Jesus believer),his mother non-Jewish.His father’s parents were Orthodox Jews.His has written 2 GREAT BOOKS:

1.The novel THE EZEKIEL OPTION:

Iran with the help of GOG(Russian dictator) tries to destroy Israel.It has a great love story in it also,plus an ex-director of Mosad who had become a believer in Jesus.

http://www.amazon.com/Ezekiel-Option-Political-Thrillers/dp/1414303440/ref=pd_sim_b_7

2.The non-fiction book INSIDE THE REVOLUTION:HOW THE FOLLOWERS OF JIHAD,JEFFERSON AND JESUS ARE BATTLING TO DOMINATE THE MIDDLE EAST AND TRANSFORM IT (it has about how many Muslims are becoming Christian,with 1 MILLION having done so in IRAN):

http://www.amazon.com/Inside-Revolution-Followers-Jefferson-Transform/dp/1414319312/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1272231868&sr=1-1

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Slavery,the Koran and the Bible

The Koran says to free slaves but it is CONDITIONAL:
SURA 24:33:
“Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until Allah gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your SLAVES ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if you know ANY GOOD in them: give them something yourselves out of the means which Allah has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that you may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/024.qmt.html

ANALYSIS
It is not the same thing as saying:”ALL have the RIGHT to FREEDOM.”It says:”Freedom is if they are worthy of it.”

FREEDOM OF SLAVES IN MOSAIC LAW

1.EVERY SLAVE THAT ESCAPES IS FREE(LITERAL words used)

DEUT 23:15-16:
“You will NOT give back to his master the SLAVE who has ESCAPED from his master to you.He may dwell with you in your midst, in the place which he chooses within one of your gates, where it seems best to him; you will not OPPRESS him.”

2.EVERY 50 YEARS ALL SLAVES WILL BE FREED(literal words used)

LEVITICUS 25:10:
“And you will consecrate the FIFTIETH YEAR, and proclaim LIBERTY throughout all the LAND to ALL its INHABITANTS. It will be a Jubilee for you; and each of you will return to his possession, and each of you shall return to his family.”

IN THE NT

PAUL says in 1 COR 7:20-21:
“Let each one remain in the same calling in which he was called.Were you called while a SLAVE? Do not be concerned about it; but if you can BECOME FREE,do it.”

ANALYSIS
PAUL says to THE SLAVE that he can get freedom BY HIMELF.In the Koran it is with the permission of the master.

WHY?
Because in the Antiquite there was alot of injustice.MANY became slaves due to KIDNAPPING.

EXAMPLE:JULIUS CEASAR

He was captured by PIRATES when a young man.An enormous amount was asked for his freedom.If he had not got it then Julius Ceaser would have been SOLD as a SLAVE by the pirates.In spite of it,when Ceaser conquered Gaul(France) he SOLD 1 MILLION of its inhabitants as slaves.

JESUS SAYS HE IS THE SLAVE OF ALL

MARK 10:43-45:
“Yet it will not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you shall be your servant.And whoever of you desires to be FIRST will be SLAVE of ALL.For even the SON OF MAN did NOT come to be served, BUT TO SERVE, and to give His life a ransom for many.”

THE GOLDEN RULE AND HEBREWS

HEBREUX 13:3:
“Remember the PRISONER as if YOU were in PRISONER. And remember those who are TREATED BADLY as if you yourselves were suffering.”

SLAVES are also PRISONERS,they are not free.

CONDEMNATION OF SLAVE TRAFICKING

It is in REVELATION 18:10-13 and also in 1 TIMOTHY 1:8-10(Young’s Literal Translation):
“And we have known that the law is good, if any one may use it lawfully;
having known this, that for a righteous man law is not set, but for lawless and insubordinate persons, ungodly and sinners, impious and profane, parricides and matricides, men-slayers,whoremongers, sodomites, MEN-STEALERS, liars, perjured persons,and if there be any other thing that to sound doctrine is adverse.”
http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/

DEBATES,DEBATES,DEBATES!

For those who are hungry they can hear alot of debates between Christians(like WILLIAM CRAIG,MICHAEL LICONA,DINESH D’SOUZA.ALISTAIR MCGRATH,the astonishing GARY HABERMAS,etc) and non-Christians(DAN BARKER,HECTOR AVALOS,EHRMAN,etc) on alot of issues (Does God exist? Did Jesus Resurrect?etc)

http://bringyou.to/apologetics/audio.htm

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