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A Modern Muslim Argument that Sura 65:4 is not about Pre-Puberty Wives

AL-TALAQ(the divorce),chapter 65:1 begins as:
“O Prophet! When you DIVORCE women, divorce them at their prescribed periods, and count (accurately), their prescribed periods.”

THEN…
65:4:”And for such of your WOMEN( in Arabic,NISA) as despair of menstruation, if you doubt, their period (of waiting) will be three months, and for those who have NOT had their MENSTRUATION.”

SURA tells us 65:4 refers to wives who have not menstruated,who you will divorce.

USE OF WORD NISA

It means WOMEN in Arabic.Some Muslims say that excludes that “those who have NOT had menstruation” means PRE-PUBERTY wives.There are problems:

1.The word WOMAN in other languages is used to mean WIFE depending on CONTEXT.French and Spanish have a general word for human female(FEMME/ MUJER) and a specific one for a WIFE(EPOUSE/ ESPOSA).In practice FEMME/MUJER(in Spain,not in Latinamerica)are used as the equivalent of WIFE.”Elle est ma FEMME”/”Ella es mi MUJER” always means “She is my WIFE” unless the CONTEXT says she is your unwed lover.
2.If the man has a PRE-PUBERTY wife,the phrases “Elle est ma FEMME”/”Ella es mi MUJER” are STILL used.Everybody knows the wife is a child but uses it anyway.

SO?
A number of perfect speakers of ARABIC have known that NISA means WOMEN yet have said it applies to PRE-MENSTRUATION wives anyway.Obviously Arabic for WOMAN didn’t 100% apply to ADULT WOMEN when the CONTEXT said WOMAN was the equivalent of WIFE.In Arabic the specific word for WIFE is ZAWAJA,yet it’s obvious by the context of the Koran that “women” here means “wives” otherwise how are you going to DIVORCE them?

IBN KATHIR(1301-1373)(born in Syria)
He was the greatest Muslim commentator on the Koran.He wrote a book of commentary/interpretation of it.Muslims call such a book a TAFSIR.TAFSIR IBN KATHIR says in the FIRST paragraph on 65:4:
“Allah the Exalted clarifies the waiting period of the woman in menopause. And that is the one whose menstruation has stopped due to her older age. Her `Iddah is three months instead of the three monthly cycles for those who menstruate, which is based upon the Ayah in (Surat) Al-Baqarah. [see 2:228] The SAME for the YOUNG, who have NOT REACHED reached the years of MENSTRUATION.”

http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=65&tid=54223

TAFSIR AL-JALALAYN:
Tafsir al-Jalalayn is one of the most significant tafsirs for the study of the Koran. Composed by the two JALALS, Jalal al-Din al-Mahalli (d.1459) and his pupil Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti (d.1505), Tafsir al-Jalalayn is generally regarded as one of the most easily accessible works because of its simple style and one volume length.

In the FIRST paragraph on 65:4 we have:
“And [as for] those of your women who (read allā’ī or allā’i in both instances) no longer expect to menstruate, if you have any doubts, about their waiting period, their prescribed [waiting] period shall be three months, and [also for] those WHO have NOT yet MENSTRUATED, BECAUSE of their YOUNG AGE, their period shall [also] be three months.”

http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=1&tTafsirNo=74&tSoraNo=65&tAyahNo=4&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2

TAFSIR IBN ABBAS
Some attribute this to IBN ABBAS,a cousin of Mohammed(died 687 AD),others to another who lived in the 15th century.
Here on 65:4 it says that “those who have NOT menstruated” means PRE-PUBERTY girls.
http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=2&tTafsirNo=73&tSoraNo=65&tAyahNo=4&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2

TAFSIR AL-TABARI (838-923)another great commentator,a Sunni Persian.He also says 65:4 means wifes who have not YET menstruated.

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Harry Roselmack menacé de mort

Le journaliste a reçu des menaces de mort suite à son reportage consacré aux fondamentalistes musulmans

Dans ce reportage, Harry Roselmack avait choisi de suivre Jamel, un salafiste, un musulman fondamentaliste, lors du sacrifice d’un mouton pour la fête de l’Aïd. Le jeune homme avait alors volé l’animal dans un abattoir pour l’égorger lui-même dans un lieu illégal.Suite à la diffusion de l’émission, de nombreux musulmans se sont insurgés contre un documentaire incitant à la haine raciale et conduisant à un dangereux amalgame entre la religion musulmane et le salafisme.

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Un Miracle Scientifique du Coran qui est Falsifie par le Coran

LA SOURATE 21:33 dit:
“Et c’est Lui qui a créé la NUIT et le JOUR, le SOLEIL et la LUNE, CHACUN voguant dans une ORBITE.”

coran

coran

http://oumma.com/coran/afficher.php?NumSourate=21

L’IMPRESSION

La LUNE fait une ORBITE autour de la terre,et AUPARAVANT(avant COPERNIC) les gens croyaient que le SOLEIL faisait une ORBITE autour de la terre.C’est pourquoi on a les mots JOUR/SOLEIL et NUIT/LUNE.

DE L’INFORMATION SCIENTIFIQUE:
1.Notre systeme solaire est compose du SOLEIL(qui est une ETOILE) avec des planetes qui vont autour du meme,qui font une ORBITE.
2.Le SOLEIL est l’un des CENTAINES des MILLIARDS des ETOILES de notre GALAXIE.
3.L’UNIVERS est compose par des CENTAINES des MILLIARDS des GALAXIES.

Les musulmans affirment que L’ORBITE du SOLEIL dans la SOURATE 21:33 fait reference au fait scientifique suivant:chaque 100 MILLIONS et plus d’annees le soleil fait une ORBITE autour du centre de notre GALAXIE.C’est vrai.Alors,si c’est vrai ca veut dire qu’il y a une CONTRADICTION dans le CORAN.

POURQUOI?
Parce que la sourate 18:86 dit que le COUCHANT du SOLEIL est litteralement dans une SOURCE BOUEUSE.Alors le soleil NE peut pas faire l’orbite de la galaxie si le soleil est DANS une SOURCE BOUEUSE pendant la NUIT.Ou peut-etre c’est dans l’eau pendant la nuit et fait l’orbite de la galaxie pendant le JOUR(pas scientifique).

LA SOURATE 18:86:
“Et quand il eut ATTEINT le COUCHANT(NOTE:du SOLEIL), il TROUVA que le SOLEIL se COUCHAIT dans une SOURCE BOUEUSE, et, après d’elle il trouva une peuplade [impie]. Nous dîmes : “Ô Zul-Qarnayn ! ou tu les châties, ou tu uses de bienveillance à leur égard”.”
http://oumma.com/coran/afficher.php?NumSourate=18

LA DEUXIEME CHANSON RELIGIEUSE LA PLUS POPULAIRE EN ANGLAIS
C’est “As the Deer pants for the water”(Comme le cerf soupire pour l’eau)inspire par le PSAUME 42:1:
“Comme une biche soupire après des courants d’eau, Ainsi mon âme soupire après toi, ô Dieu!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0KGtu5oScI

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How a Scientific Miracle in the Koran is Disproved by the Koran

Sura 21:33 says:

“And He it is Who created the NIGHT and the DAY, and the SUN and the MOON. They float, EACH in an ORBIT.”

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/021.qmt.html

The Impression

First the MOON has an ORBIT around the earth,and THEN (before COPERNICUS)people believed the SUN went in ORBIT around the earth.That’s why it has DAY/SUN and NIGHT/MOON.

Scientific Information

1.Our solar system is made up of the SUN(a STAR)with planets that go in orbit around it.

2.It is one of HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of STARS in our GALAXY.

3.The UNIVERSE is made up of HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of GALAXIES.

Muslims say the ORBIT of the SUN means:when every more than 100 MILLION years the sun makes an ORBIT around the center of the GALAXY.It is true,the sun is orbiting the galaxy.For them that’s what 21:33 refers to.If so then there is a CONTRADICTION in the Koran.

Why?

Because 18:86 says clearly the SUN sets in a MUDDY SPRING.Then it can NOT be orbiting the galaxy if it is there at NIGHT.Or maybe it is in the spring at night,and during the DAY it orbits the galaxy(not scientific).

Sura 18:86:

“Till, when he REACHED the SETTING-PLACE of the SUN, he FOUND it SETTING in a MUDDY SPRING, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu’l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.”

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/018.qmt.html

 

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