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Why the Jews Specifically Expected the Messiah in the 1st Century AD(it was because of the Daniel 9 Prophecy)

For us Christians,Daniel 9:24-27 says a certain messiah would be ” cut off, and have nothing ” ( be killed ) after a certain time.It refers to the Messiah ( with a capital M ). All NT scholars agree that the Jews of the 1st century AD expected the Messiah to come. Why not in 300 BC, or 200 AD, or 500 AD? It was because of the Daniel prophecy.

Daniel 9:24-27 prophecy

It is one that can be interpreted in a way that it is about the Time Period for when the Messiah Jesus would come.The scholars say that the Jews of the 1st century in Palestine were expecting the Messiah to come then?Why?It can only be that they saw Daniel 9:24-27 as being about him.Here is the documentary proof:

The Documentary Evidence

The Essenes and their writings in Qmran, it shows they believed the Messiah would come in their time period.They existed from 250 BC to 70 AD,numbered 4,000(according to Jewish historian Josephus) and were also 100% against slavery.

James Tabor,a skeptical NT scholar,in The Jesus Dynasty (2007),says the Essenes in their writings show they thought Daniel 9:24-27 was about the Messiah.

Flavius Josephus ( 37-100 AD )

He is a famous Jewish historian,who in his The Jewish Wars, which told of the Jewish revolt of 66-70 AD says in Book VI, 5.4, about:

” An ambiguous oracle that was also found in their ancient writings,how about that time, one from their country should become governor of the habitable earth.”

(He can only be referring to the Daniel 9:24-27 prophecy).

Tacitus ( 50-117 AD )

He was the greatest of the Roman historians, wrote in his History ( Note: of the Roman empire), Book V, 13:

” The majority were deeply impressed with the persuasion that it was contained in the ancient writings of the priests that it would come to pass that at the very time, that the East would renew its strength and they that should go forth from Judea should be rulers of the world. ”

Suetonius ( 75-150 AD )

He is another famous Roman historian, in his Lives of the Ceasers( chapter on the Life of Vespasian ) says:

” A firm had long prevailed through all the East that it was fated for the empire of the world at that time to devolve on someone who should go forth from Judea. ”

Fascinating Debate(you won’t get bored) Between:

David Wood(of answeringmuslims.com),ex-atheist,now Christian,and Sami Zaatari (Muslim) on “Was Mohammed a Prophet of God?”.

David’s arguments are brilliant,check it out(watched already by over 30,000 since 2008),in youtube:

Also Check Out

This great website by Jewish believers in Jesus called “Jews for Jesus”(hey,Jesus himself was Jewish):

http://jewsforjesus.org/

Read their Section

“Answers”,it has “Evidence for Jesus:Answers to Objections”:

http://www.jewsforjesus.org/answers

Their article about Daniel 9

It is “The Messianic Time Table According to Daniel the Prophet”by Arnold Fruchtenbaum:

http://www.jewsforjesus.org/publications/issues/5_1/timetable

 

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De Nouveau avec la Memoire Imparfaite d'Allah:ses Mots Exacts aux Juifs Impies du Temps de Moise

C’est dans le MEME chapitre du coran:

La situation est que Moise est alle recevoir la loi de Moise de la part d’Allah.Entretemps le peuple juif decide d’adorer la statue d’un animal,une chose tres grave.Allah en colere les menace avec une montagne sur eux.

Chapitre 2:63-64:

“(Et rappelez vous), quand Nous avons contracté un engagement avec vous et brandi sur vous le Mont: “Tenez ferme ce que Nous vous avons donné et souvenez-vous de ce qui s’y trouve afin que vous soyez pieux !” Puis vous vous en détournâtes après vos engagements, n’eût été donc la grâce de Dieu et Sa miséricorde, vous seriez certes parmi les perdants.”

http://oumma.com/coran/afficher.php?NumSourate=2

Aussi:

http://www.yabiladi.com/coran

Chapitre 2:92-93:

“Et en effet Moïse vous est venu avec les preuves. Malgré cela, une fois absent vous avez pris le Veau pour idole, alors que vous étiez injustes.
Et rappelez-vous, lorsque Nous avons pris l’engagement de vous, et brandi sur vous At-Tur (le Mont Sinaï) en vous disant : “Tenez ferme à ce que Nous vous avons donné, et écoutez !”. Ils dirent : “Nous avons écouté et désobéi”. Dans leur impiété, leurs coeurs étaient passionnément épris du Veau (objet de leur culte). Dis-[leur] : “Quelles mauvaises prescriptions ordonnées par votre foi, si vous êtes croyants.””

COMPAREZ(les mots d’Allah):

“Tenez ferme ce que Nous vous avons donné et souvenez-vous de ce qui s’y trouve afin que vous soyez pieux !”

“Tenez ferme à ce que Nous vous avons donné, et écoutez !”

COMPAREZ LE TEXTE ARABE(avec des lettres latines)

Chapitre 2:63:

“Wa-ith akhathna meethaqakum warafaAAna fawqakumu alttoora khuthoo ma ataynakum biquwwatin waothkuroo ma feehi laAAallakum tattaqoona.”

Chapitre 2:93:

“Wa-ith akhathna meethaqakum warafaAAna fawqakumu alttoora khuthoo ma ataynakum biquwwatin waismaAAoo qaloo samiAAna waAAasayna waoshriboo fee quloobihimu alAAijla bikufrihim qul bi/sama ya/murukum bihi eemanukum in kuntum mu/mineena.”

Pour le texte arabe avec des lettres latines:

http://www.yabiladi.com/coran

http://quranbrowser.com/

DES AUTRES EXAMPLES DE LA MEMOIRE IMPARFAITE D’ALLAH:

Exemple 1:

http://www.avraidire.eu/2010/03/allah-na-pas-une-memoire-parfaite/

Exemple 2:

http://www.avraidire.eu/2010/03/de-nouveau-avec-la-memoire-imparfaite-dallah/

Exemple 3:

C’est sur ce qu’on a dit exactement par Moise

Lisez et comparez:

10:10-15/ 20:65-70/ 28:29-31/ 26:41-51

LA SITUATION D’ALGERIE

Depuis 2006,ce pays a une loi qui INTERDIT les musulmans sortir de l’islam(ou etre imprisonne).Et si un non-musulman essaye de convaincre un musulman d’y en sortir,c’est la meme chose.Quel bel exemple de tolerance et de modernite pour nous.

Et ne pas oublier qu’entre 1992-2000 entre 100.000-160.000 musulmans ont ete tue par le FIS(Front Islamique de Salut),en Algerie.Par des terroristes musulmans au nom de l’islam.

 

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Can Women Preach and be Ministers in a Church?

I say yes based on the NT.I will give a short version of my argument and then a longer one for those who have the patience to read it in more detail.Plus it includes other things that if one doesnt know all the details are controversial.

That is why women:

1.Are allowed to be priests and ministers in the Anglican ( also called the Episcopalian church),Lutheran,Methodist,Presbyterian and Pentecostal churches.

2.Also in Reform and Conservative Judaism women can be rabbis.But first some introductory information:

PAUL’S LIST OF THOSE IN THE EKKLESIA(gathering,assembly,not a TEMPLE) ACCORDING TO IMPORTANCE

1 Corinthians 12:27-30:

” Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. And in the ekklesia/assembly God has appointed:

1.First of all apostles

2.Second, prophets

3.Third, teachers

4.Then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others

5.Those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues.

Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? ”

NOTICE PAUL GIVES FIRST PLACE TO APOSTLES:

Also notice he places apostles who are in/among/part of the ekklesia. By apostle Paul did not just mean men but also women, we know from:

Romans 16:7:

” Greet Andronicus and Junia, my relatives who have been in prison with me. they are outstanding among the APOSTLES ( Note: it means ” emissary, messenger ” in Greek ), and they were in Christ before I was. ”

PAUL GIVES SECOND PLACE TO ” PROPHETS “:

Paul was a Jew and in the OT prophet is not one who says prophecies ( though he can sometimes ) but it means one who says what God wants, gives the message of God. That applied to women also in the OT and NT ( the case of the Jewish Anna, called a prophetess, in Luke 2:36 ).

In Hebrew the word is navi, it means ” messenger. “ They were never forbidden to speak in a gathering of the Jews.

“Navi” is used in the OT for Women

Miriam, the sister of Moses is called a prophetess

Exodus 15:19-21:

” When Pharaoh’s horses, chariots and horsemen went into the sea, the LORD brought the waters of the sea back over them, but the Israelites walked through the sea on dry ground. Then Miriam the PROPHETESS, Aaron’s sister, took a tambourine in her hand, and all the women followed her, with tambourines and dancing. Miriam sang to them:”Sing to the LORD,for he is highly exalted.The horse and its rider he has hurled into the sea.” ”

About Huldah

2 Chronicles 34:19-22:

” When the king heard the words of the Law, he tore his robes. He gave these orders to Hilkiah, Ahikam son of Shaphan, Abdon son of Micah, Shaphan the secretary and Asaiah the king’s attendant: “Go and inquire of the LORD for me and for the remnant in Israel and Judah about what is written in this book that has been found. Great is the LORD’s anger that is poured out on us because our fathers have not kept the word of the LORD; they have not acted in accordance with all that is written in this book.”

Hilkiah and those the king had sent with him went to speak to the prophetess Huldah, who was the wife of Shallum son of Tokhath, the son of Hasrah, keeper of the wardrobe. She lived in Jerusalem, in the Second District. ”

Also Paul has a Woman as Diakonos ( helper, minister ) in an Ekklesia

It is the same title he gives to men, like Timothy:

Romans 16:1-2:

” I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a diakonos of the ekklesia in Cenchrea. I ask you to receive her in the Lord in a way worthy of the saints and to give her any help she may need from you, for she has been a great help to many people, including me. ”

The Case of Priscilla

In Antiquity it was the custom, not always but mostly, that when you had a list of names, that of the most IMPORTANT was placed first.

1.In the NT we have 8 lists of women with Mary Magdalene in it.

2.In 7 of them she is placed first.

3.Which is one reason it is believed she was the most important woman disciple of Jesus.

Notice we have 2 names, that of a man and a woman and the woman’s name is placed first

Romans 16:3-5:

” Greet Priscilla and Aquila, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus. They risked their lives for me. Not only I but all the ekklesias of the Gentiles are grateful to them. Greet also the ekklesia that meets at their house. ”

PROOF THAT WOMEN WERE PRIESTS AND BISHOPS IN EARLY CHRISTINAITY ( check it out in Amazon.com ):

1.” The Lost Apostle: Junia ” by Rena Pederson

http://www.amazon.com/Lost-Apostle-Searching-Paperback-Reprint/dp/0470184620/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1225811391&sr=1-5

2.” When Women were Priests:Women’s Leadership in the Early Church and the Scandal of their Subordination in the Rise of Christianity” by Karen Torjesen

http://www.amazon.com/When-Women-Were-Priests-Subordination/dp/0060686618/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1225811535&sr=1-2

3.”Ordained Women in the Early Church:a Documentary History” by Kevin Madigan

http://www.amazon.com/Ordained-Women-Early-Church-Documentary/dp/0801879329/ref=pd_sim_b_3

4.”The Hidden History of Women’s Ordination:Female Clergy in the Medieval West” by Gary Macy

http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-History-Womens-Ordination-Medieval/dp/0195189701/ref=pd_sim_b_1

Priscilla is also in Acts and she Teaches Theology to a Male Jewish Scholar

But first:

Acts 18:1-4:

” After this, Paul left Athens and went to Corinth. There he met a Jew named Aquila, a native of Pontus, who had recently come from Italy with his wife Priscilla, because Claudius had ordered all the Jews to leave Rome. Paul went to see them, and because he was a tentmaker as they were, he stayed and worked with them. Every Sabbath he reasoned in the synagogue, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks. ”

Also notice the Wife is mentioned in the First Place,NOT her Husband,not Once but Three Times

Acts 18:18-28:

” Paul stayed on in Corinth for some time. Then he left the brothers and sailed for Syria, accompanied by Priscilla and Aquila(Note:1st Mention). Before he sailed, he had his hair cut off at Cenchrea because of a vow he had taken.

They arrived at Ephesus, where Paul left Priscilla and Aquila (Note:2nd Mention)……Meanwhile a Jew named APOLLOS, a native of Alexandria, came to Ephesus.

He was a learned man, with a thorough knowledge of the SCRIPTURES. He had been instructed in the way of the Lord, and he spoke with great fervor and taught about Jesus accurately, though he knew only the baptism of John.

He began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Priscilla and Aquila (Note:3rd Mention) heard him, they invited him to their home and EXPLAINED to him the way of God more adequately.

When Apollos wanted to go to Achaia, the brothers encouraged him and wrote to the disciples there to welcome him. On arriving, he was a great help to those who by grace had believed. For he vigorously refuted the Jews in public debate, proving from the Scriptures that Jesus was the Messiah. ”

Short Version

EKKLESIA OR TEMPLE?

First of all the word ekklesia in Greek means a congregation,gathering or assembly of PERSONS.It does NOT mean a church building,that meaning appeared later.Ekklesia is a common word for everyday life.If PAUL had meant a BUILDING he would have said TEMPLE,not EKKLESIA.Paul in 1 Corinthians 10:30-33 uses the word for the believers,for PERSONS.

In 1 COR 11 Paul says that women must cover their head and that men must NOT.Now Paul was Jewish and in the synagogue men do cover their head,so this detail about covering the head is a cultural preference of Paul.In 1 Corinthians 11:17-22 Paul uses EKKLESIA again.So we know the covering of the woman’s head is only meant for church.

FALSE TEACHINGS,DISPUTES AMONG PERSONS(the EKKLESIA)

In 1 Corinthians 12 he talks about prophecy and prophets and apostles and uses Ekklesia again. In 1 Corithians 14 he uses ekklesia again and 1 Corinthians 14:37-40 has the famous passage about women to be silent (forever?) in the ekklesia or assembly(of PERSONS).

In 1 Timothy there is the part about women not allowed to have authority over men (forever?),but in Romans 16 he calls Junia,a woman,an apostle and in 1 COR 12 he includes apostles as those having authority in the gathering,assembly(of PERSONS).When you carefully analyze all that you see the restriction on women not speaking in the assembly was temporary due to DISPUTES and scandals  in the group,which are in 1 Corinthians 1:10-13/ 3:3-5/ 5:1-2 / 6:15-16 / 11:17-22 / 15:12-14.

Long Version

1 Corinthians 10 ends in 1 Corinthians 10:31-33. Here we have EKKLESIA:

” So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the EKKLESIA of God— even as I try to please everybody in every way. For I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved. ”

Men and Women in the Assembly ( Ekklesia )

1 Corinthians 11 has alot to say.

THE USE OF THE WORD “WOMAN” IN GREEK AND OF “MAN” IN THE JEWISH SENSE

We have in 1 Corinthians 11:3:

1. ” the head of every Man is Christ

2. ” the head of every Woman is Man ” and

3. ” the head of Christ is God ” :

1 Corinthians 11:3:

” Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. ”

What does that mean?

THE PHRASE ” The Head of Christ is God “:

Paul says elsewhere that Jesus was God, so the head of Jesus, or God is he himself, God.

THE PHRASE ” The Head of Every Man is Christ “:

Paul was a PHARISEE, he knew the OT very well, and in the Torah, in Genesis, the word ” MAN ” means both Man and Woman:

Example 1

Genesis 1:26-27:

” Then God said, “Let us make adam ( man ) in OUR IMAGE, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

So God created MAN in his OWN IMAGE,in the IMAGE of GOD he created HIM;MALE and FEMALE he created them. ”

Example 2

Genesis 5:1-2:

” This is the written account of Adam’s line.When God created man, he made him in the LIKNESS of God. He created them male and female and blessed them. And when they were created, he called them ” man “ .”

Therefore in:

Genesis 9:6 it means both sexes:

” Whoever sheds the blood of man,by man will his blood be shed;for in the image of God has God made man. ”

Conclusion

The word ” MAN ” here means that the Christ is the head of men and women.

THE PHRASE ” THE HEAD OF THE WOMAN IS MAN “:

To those who know koine Greek the official word for WOMAN or GYNOS can also mean WIFE in popular usage. You will see it in some Bibles in a footnote ” or wife “. In koine Greek the same word can be applied to both cases. That doesn’t mean there is not a specific Greek word for wife, only that when one said ” She is the woman ( gynos ) of X ” one meant ” She is the wife of X “.

A Modern Example

The same happens in French. The official word for wife is EPOUSE. It is rarely used. The word used almost always is femme ( literally ” woman ” ). Even in French language courses for foreigners that is the word almost used; ” Elle est la femme de Jacques “/ ” She is the woman of Jacques. ”

It sounds impolite but that is the way the word is used in French, and also in Greek, though I don’t know if to the great extent as it is used in French. However by the context it is usually easy to tell if femme in the sentence is woman in general or wife.

THE PHRASE REFERS TO A WIFE-HUSBAND RELATIONSHIP

” The head of the woman is man ” if taken to mean WOMAN in GENERAL would go against the GOLDEN RULE and would mean that the following absurd situation is allowed : that an adult son has the right to DECIDE the LIFE and ACTIONS of his MOTHER/ADULT SISTER/ADULT FEMALE FRIEND. Considering the other writings of Paul it refers to ” the head of the wife is man “.

How is Man to be the Head of the Wife?

Well, in EPHESIANS 5,Paul clearly states no less than 2X that the HUSBAND has to ” LOVE his WIFE as HIS OWNSELF ” ( EPHES. 5:28/ 5:33 ). Also in EHESIANS 5:28 you have to ” LOVE your WIFE as though you LOVE your OWN BODY “. That guarantees equality in the relationship.

ALSO:

1 Corinthians 7:3-4:

” The HUSBAND should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the WIFE to her husband. The wife’s body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the SAME WAY, the husband’s body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. “Notice it’s a relationship of EQUALS.

The Man should Cover his Head

1 Corinthians 11:4:

” Every MAN who prays or prophesies with his HEAD COVERED dishonors his head. ”

In the synagogues of the time then and today men COVERED their HEAD, including Jesus. It’s a personal preference of Paul. The Jewish custom of a man covering his hair comes from a passage in the Torah, it certainly existed in Jesus’ time. It is very noticeable. KUBIZEK, who was the only friend Hitler had as a youth in Vienna, in his book ” The Hitler I knew “, written after WW II about an incident. They lived together in Vienna and he tells us one day Hitler took him to a synagogue. He told him that whatever he did ” for no reason must you take off your hat. “ They went in and Kubiczek tells us ” in effect, all the men had hats on. “

The Woman is to Cover her Headin the Ekklesia/Assembly

1 Corinthians 11:5-6:

” And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is just as though her head were shaved. If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head. ”

It Refers to the Woman in the Ekklesia

We know that for a fact because just a few sentences later we have:

1 Corinthians 11:12-16:

” But everything comes from God. Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering.

If anyone wants to be CONTENTIOUS ABOUT THIS, we have no other practice—nor do the EKKLESIAS of God. ”

BUT DOESN’T PAUL SAY THIS IN THE SAME PARAGRAPH:

1 Corinthians 11:7:

” A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the WOMAN is the GLORY of MAN. ”

Again,Pauk knew the Torah,and he knew Genesis

He knew that 2 times in Genesis the word Adam ( man ) means both genders.

WHAT ABOUT ” BUT THE WOMAN IS THE GLORY OF MAN? ”

From the LATER words Paul tells us he refers to the EVE CREATION story, where she was created to be the WIFE of Adam, not his SISTER/FOSTER MOTHER/FEMALE ACQUAINTANCE.

PASSAGE THAT REFERS TO THE CREATION OF EVE AS THE WIFE OF ADAM

1 Corinthians 11:8-10:

” For man did not come from woman, but woman from man ( note: he refers to the story where Eve was created from a rib taken from Adam ); neither was man created for woman, but woman for man ( note: here he refers to the part where in Genesis Eve was created to be the WIFE of Adam ). For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head. ”

Conclusion

“WOMAN is the GLORY of MAN” in the 1 Corinthians 11:7-10 context is “WIFE is the GLORY of MAN”.

WHAT OF ” THE WOMAN OUGHT TO HAVE A SIGN OF AUTHORITY ON HER HEAD ” ?

The phrase “woman ought to have a SIGN of AUTHORITY on her head”(by COVERING IT),the way the Greek is used,means it REFERS to HER OWN AUTHORITY(the woman’s authority) and NOT to an athority over her.Again,it says “have a sign of authority on her head” and NOT “have a sign of authority OVER HER on her head ”

THEN PAUL EMPHASIZES EQUALITY OF BOTH SEXES IN THE VERY NEXT SENTENCE:

1 Corinthians 11:11-12:

” In the Lord, however, WOMAN is not INDEPENDENT of man, NOR is MAN INDEPENDENT of WOMAN. For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God. ”

HERE YOU ARE CHANGING THE MEANING OF GYNOS TO MEAN WOMAN IN GENERAL(when you said it meant WIFE before):

The TEXT indicates THAT(WOMAN in GENERAL) in the phrase ” so also MAN is BORN of WOMAN “. It certainly can’t refer to a WIFE unless a man marries his own mother/sister.

ALSO PAUL EMPHASIZES EQUALITY IN THE EKKLESIA IN:

Colossians 3:9-11:

” Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator. Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.

The Order to be Silent in 1 Corinthians  14:”Is it a Divine Order?”

We have 1 Corinthians 14:29-40:

” Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. For God is not a God of DISORDER but of PEACE.

As in all the EKKLESIAS of the saints, women should REMAIN SILENT in the EKKLESIAS. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the LAW SAYS.If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you IS THE LORD’S COMMAND. If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored.

Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. But everything should be done in a fitting and ORDERLY WAY. ”

The Situation of the Greek Text

In the Greek text we have:

1.All the letters are together, like:

heisgoingtothemarketonsaturdayandhewillseehethen.

It was not till the Middle Ages in Europe that words were separated like today. You can easily see that facilitates grammatical and spelling errors by scribes, plus the cases of INATTENTION due to being TIRED or somewhat BAD EYESIGHT.

2. The were NO PUNCTUATION MARKS in the text: no commas, no periods, no interrrogation sign, no exclamation point, no quotation marks.

What are you Saying?

The text can be like this:

Case 1:

” The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. For God is not a God of DISORDER but of PEACE. ( one way of arranging the punctuation signs )

” As in all the EKKLESIAS of the saints, ” women should REMAIN SILENT in the EKKLESIAS. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the LAW SAYS.If they want to inquire about something, they should ASK their OWN HUSBANDS at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you IS THE LORD’S COMMAND. If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored. ”

Or Like This

Case 2:

” The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. For God is not a God of DISORDER but of PEACE ” as in all the EKKLESIAS of the saints. ” ( here is the difference due to the punctuation sign )

Women should REMAIN SILENT in the EKKLESIAS. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the LAW SAYS.If they want to inquire about something, they should ASK their OWN HUSBANDS at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you IS THE LORD’S COMMAND. If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored. ”

About the “Lord’s Command”( “Order in the Ekklesia”or “Women not Speaking”?)

It is more logical to say the text is to be written as in case 2. The EMPHASIS is on having ORDER in the EKKLESIA. THAT is what Paul was referring to ( order in the ekklesia ) when he said ” it is the LORD’S COMMAND “, not to the idea of women not speaking.

I am still not Convinced

If case 1 is accepted Paul would be CONTRADICTING himself where in 1 COR he says a woman can PROPHESIZE ( speak ) in the assembly but covering her hair.

REMEMBER THE MEANING OF THE WORD ” WOMAN ” IN GREEK

In ” Women should REMAIN SILENT in the EKKLESIAS. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the LAW SAYS.If they want to inquire about something, they should ASK their OWN HUSBANDS at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. ” the question is if the word in Greek refers to ” WOMAN in GENERAL ” or ” WIFE “. I say the second because:

IT HAS THE PHRASE ” MUST BE IN SUBMISSION AS THE LAW SAYS “:

We have ” Women should REMAIN SILENT in the EKKLESIAS. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the LAW SAYS. ”

The Law is obviously that of Moses. In Christianity the Mosaic Law has been replaced but some aspects are valid like the TEN COMMANDMENTS and the idea that the husband is the head of the couple, but AGAIN, under the condition that ” he love his wife as himself. ” ( EPHESIANS 5 ).

The text even says ” If they want to inquire about something, they should ASK their OWN HUSBANDS at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. ” It is obvious by the text here woman means WIFE,that is the most logical conclusion.

Why Forbid Women the Right to Talk in the Assembly/Ekklesia?

ABOUT 1 TIMOTHY AND WOMEN NOT TO HAVE AUTHORITY OVER MEN

1 Timothy 2:11-15 

” A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.

1.I do NOT permit a WOMAN to TEACH or to have AUTHORITY over a MAN; she must be silent.

2.For ADAM was formed first, then EVE.

3.And ADAM was not the one deceived; it was the WOMAN who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety. ”

Commentary

This passage its interpreted by many churches to mean only to a woman being a minister in a church, not to her position in society. Others reject it even applying to that: the reason is that the prohibition is temporary ( based on the arguments I gave in parts 1,2, and 3 or otherwise Paul would really be contradicting himself ). There were false teachings and disputes in Timothy’s ekklesia ( 1 TIM 1:3-8/6:3-5 ) so women were probably involved in spreading false ideas.

THE IDEA OF WOMEN SPREADING FALSE IDEAS IN 1 TIMOTHY IN THE EKKLESIA IS A SUPPOSITION:

It is an Analogy

Then why have the passage ” And MAN was no the one deceived, it was the woman who was DECEIVED “.

It refers to EVE being tricked into a false idea ( false doctrine )by Satan and then later convincing Adam of it. So here Paul is making what is called an ANALOGY or comparison, like saying ” the situation in the EKKLESIA of Timothy is:

1.False doctrines are being spread

2.Many of them by women, like when Eve convinced Adam of a false idea.”

Was it Paul did Not know the OT and Recent Jewish History?

Paul knew the OT, he knew a PROPHETESS called DEBORAH had been the leader of the 12 tribes of Israel in the time of the JUDGES. They ruled from around 1380 till 1050 BC, one after another, till the first Jewish king Saul.
Prophets and prophetesses always TAUGHT.

Paul also knew recent history and that his people had been ruled by a woman less than 100 years ago: Salome Alexandra.

Question: would Paul really order something he knew was approved in the OT?

Answer: Yes, but only temporarily due to false doctrines in the assembly.

The Case of Debora

Notice in Judges 4 Deborah is STILL MARRIED, she is called the WIFE, not the WIDOW of a man. Yet she ruled, she even gives MILITARY ORDERS.

Judges 4:4-7:

” DEBORAH, a prophetess, the WIFE of LAPPIDOTH, was leading Israel at that time. She held court under the Palm of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim, and the Israelites came to her to have their disputes decided.

She sent for Barak son of Abinoam from Kedesh in Naphtali and said to him, ” The LORD, the God of Israel, commands you: ‘Go, take with you ten thousand men of Naphtali and Zebulun and lead the way to Mount Tabor. I will lure Sisera, the commander of Jabin’s army, with his chariots and his troops to the Kishon River and give him into your hands.’ ”

The Case of Queen Salome Alexandra,Queen of the Jews ( ruled 76-67 BC )

She was a well-loved,pious woman, greatly admired. Check her out here:

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/112049/jewish/Queen-Salome-Alexandra.htm

God as a Woman

We have God the Father,the Son and Holy Spirit.In GREEK spirit is NEUTRAL but in ARAMAIC-HEBREW it is FEMININE.So when Jesus talks of the Holy Spirit he refers it to as a SHE.So in the original language of Jesus we have a God that is feminine.This was known to the GNOSTICS and in one of their gospels they refer to the Trinity as the FATHER,MOTHER and SON.

HEAD SCARF AGAIN

Notice Paul here accepts LONG HAIR on a WOMAN as constituting the EQUIVALENT of a HEAD SCARF.So even the real scarf is not obligatory.

1 Corinthians 11:13-15:

“Judge among yourselves. Is it PROPER for a woman to pray to God with her HEAD UNCOVERED? Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him?

But if a WOMAN has LONG HAIR, it is a glory to her; for HER HAIR is given to her as a covering.”

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More on Isaiah 53 and if it Applies to Jesus

This is a continuation of “Is Isaiah 53 about Jesus or about the Jewish People?”:
http://www.avraidire.eu/2010/05/is-isaiah-53-about-jesus-or-about-the-jewish-people/

1) A generation before Jesus or during his time the TARGUM was written down in aramaic. When the Jews returned from exile after 538 BC they no longer spoke Hebrew but Aramaic. About 50,000 returned eventually to Palestine but some 200,000 remained in Babylon. So Hebrew was a DEAD language, like Latin today.

So there developed the custom of reading the OT in Hebrew and then translating it to Aramaic.Most people then were illiterate. Also the teachers would give interpretations of the OT they had read,or not translate in exactly but in paraphrase, all 3 methods were used. It was finally written down. The Targum had great authority. So in the TARGUM the person in Isaiah 53 is identified as the MESSIAH.

2) The TALMUD was written down in 500 AD, it is mostly commentaries on the OT,and commentaries on the commentaries. The information is from before 500 AD. There in all cases except one Isaiah 53 is said to be about an INDIVIDUAL,in one case it is identified as the Messiah, in another as Jeremiah, etc. Only once is it referred to mean a REMNANT of the just Jews,but not, and I repeat, not, the entire Jewish people.

3) A man called ISRAEL BEN ELEAZAR (1700-1750), a Yiddish-speaking Jew from the Ukraine founded a new religious movement called HASSIDISM, which emphasized dancing and singing and emotion. They are now known as the Orthodox or ultra-Orthodox Jews.He was given the title of BAAL SHEM TOV ( Master of the Good Name ). Once most of the Eastern Jews were Hassidic. In 1797 a Hassidic group formed founded by Rabbi Shneour Zalman called the CHAVAD LUBAVITCHERS. After WW II they had as their leader MENAHEM SCHNEERSON (1902-1994) who ruled from 1950 till 1994 in New York.

Many Lubavitchers claimed that rabbi Schneerson was the Messiah and that ISAIAH 53 applied to HIM, in other words they said it meant an INDIVIDUAL who is the Messiah, not the entire Jewish people.

LIKE A SHEEP IN ID EL-ADHA

For Muslims the expression means the person is going to be killed.In the Muslim feast of ID EL-ADHA a SHEEP is killed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eid_al-Adha

In the TALMUD one interpretation of ISAIAH 53 is that it means JEREMIAH. Why? Because of JEREMIAH 11:18-20:

” Because the LORD revealed their plot to me, I knew it, for at that time he showed me what they were doing. I had been like a gentle LAMB LED to the SLAUGHTER; I did not realize that they had plotted against me, saying,”Let us destroy the tree and its fruit;let us cut him off from the land of the living, that his name be remembered no more.”But, O LORD Almighty, you who judge righteously and test the heart and mind,let me see your vengeance upon them,
for to you I have committed my cause. ”

WHAT HAPPENED TO JEREMIAH?

We don’t know how he died,one tradition is that he was killed by his own people in Egypt.In the Law of Moses there was the sacrificial system,where SHEEP were killed for sins,and so ” like a LAMB led to the slaughter ” meant a person was going to get KILLED. In ISAIAH 53:7 we have:

” He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a LAMB LED to the SLAUGHTER,and as a sheep before her shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth. ”

ANOTHER EXAMPLE

You see that it means getting killed also in PSALM 44:20-22:

” If we have forgot the name of our God, or stretched out our hands to a strange god; will not God search this out? for he knows the secrets of the heart. Yes, for your sake are we KILLED all the day long; we are counted as SHEEP for the SLAUGHTER. ”

Conclusion: in other words,the person in ISAIAH 53 was killed,not dying a natural death.

IT STILL DOESN’T APPLY TO JESUS

One reason given is that in ISAIAH 53:10:

“Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering, he will SEE SEED ( zara in Hebrew for seed) and prolong his days,and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand. ”

The phrase ” see seed ” is interpreted to only mean biological descendants and since Jesus never married or had children it can’t apply to him. Also notice that before the person has been killed and now is now alive again, seeing his seed, and it even says the Lord ” prolongs his days “. It can only be by a resurrection.

ABOUT ZARA ONLY MEANING BIOLOGICAL DESCENDANTS

Since in the the OT a holy man is actually called a ” son of God ” then one can say seed can also mean a SPIRITUAL follower,disciple.

In the TALMUD one interpretation of ISAIAH 53 is that it means JEREMIAH.

The detail is that Jeremiah was told by God NOT to marry, so he never had any children, yet the Talmud says it applies to JEREMIAH. If zara ONLY means a BIOLOGICAL descendant then Isaiah 53 would NOT have been said to apply to Jeremiah in the Talmud.

PROOF

JEREMIAH 16:1-4:

” Then the word of the LORD came to me: “You must NOT MARRY and HAVE SONS or DAUGHTERS in this place.” For this is what the LORD says about the sons and daughters born in this land and about the women who are their mothers and the men who are their fathers: ” They will die of deadly diseases. They will not be mourned or buried but will be like refuse lying on the ground. They will perish by sword and famine, and their dead bodies will become food for the birds of the air and the beasts of the earth.”

MORE PROOF ZARA IN ISAIAH IS NOT BIOLOGICAL(in Jewish interpretation)

MENAHEM SCHNEERSON(head of the CHAVAD LUBAVITCHERS,who thought he was the MESSIAH and that ISAIAH 53 applied to him) was married yet he NEVER had a family, his wife was STERILE. Now if seed only meant a biological descendant then the Lubavitchers would NOT have applied Isaiah 53 to him. You can verify his wife had no children in:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaya_Mushka_Schneerson

WAS MUSLIM SPAIN A PLACE OF TOLERANCE FOR CHRISTIANS?

From 850-859 almost 50 Christians were killed for criticism of Islam,in CORDOBA,the capital.Plus later also.And 715-1031 are supposed to be the “best” part of Muslim rule in Spain,the “ideal era of religious coexistence”.Muslims say Muslim Spain is a “model” for today of “religious coexistence”.Not so,read:
“The Christian Martyrs in Muslim Spain”
http://libro.uca.edu/martyrs/martyrs.htm

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About the Muslim Argument that Isaiah 9 and 53 are NOT about Jesus because they are in the Past Tense

That is one argument I have read. I have to disagree because in the OT prophecies are in 2 ways: in the FUTURE tense and in the PAST tense. In the past tense because the author is SO SURE it will come true that he writes as if it had already happened.

WHAT IS THE PROOF?

From Jewish commentaries themselves:

A. In the TARGUM, which was written during in Aramaic during or a generation after Jesus and where we have translations, paraphrases and interpretations of the OT by Jewish teachers. There it is said that Isaiah 9 and 53 are about the MESSIAH. And the Targum was written HUNDREDS of years after Isaiah, yet they considered Isaiah 9 and 53 to be about the FUTURE.

B. In the TALMUD, written in 500 AD, we have that Isaiah 53 is in one commentary about the Messiah and in another it is about JEREMIAH.

WHAT IS SO SIGNIFICANT ABOUT THE REFERENCE TO JEREMIAH?

Because they knew that Jeremiah lived some 100 YEARS AFTER Isaiah, and yet they considered Isaiah 53, though in the PAST tense, to be about a FUTURE person.

THEY ARE STILL WRONG:

You have the same thing even in the NT. In a passage about the Antichrist and a False Prophet who will help him it is all in the PAST TENSE, but it is about the FUTURE:

REVELATION 13:11-18:

” Then I saw another BEAST ( note: the False Prophet ), coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon.

He exercised ( past tense ) all the authority of the FIRST BEAST ( Antichrist ) on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.

And he performed ( past tense ) great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. Because of the signs he was given ( past tense ) power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived ( past tense ) the inhabitants of the earth.

He ordered them ( past tense ) to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded ( past tense ) by the sword and yet lived. He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. He also forced ( past tense )everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.

This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man’s number. His number is 666. ”

DEBATE BETWEEN TONY COSTA AND SHABIR ALLY

It is about “Who was Jesus?”

DEBATE BETWEEN NABEEL QURESHI(Christian) AND FARHAN QURESHI(Muslim)

On “Who was Jesus?”

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Does God appear as a Man in the OT?

GOD THE SON APPEARS TO ABRAHAM

Muslims often say God in the OT or Hebrew scriptures is never a man.They are wrong.There are several example like when he appeared to Abraham.

Genesis 18:1-24 (It end at verse 33)

” YAHWEH APPEARED to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. Abraham looked up and SAW 3 MEN standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground. He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord, do not pass your servant by. Let a little water be brought, and then you may all wash your feet and rest under this tree. Let me get you something TO EAT, so you can be refreshed and then go on your way—now that you have come to your servant.” “Very well,” they answered, “do as you say.”

So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah. “Quick,” he said, “get three seahs of fine flour and knead it and bake some bread.” Then he ran to the herd and selected a choice, tender calf and gave it to a servant, who hurried to prepare it. He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared, and set these before them. While THEY ATE, he stood near them under a tree….

… Then the MEN got up TO LEAVE, they looked down toward Sodom, and Abraham walked along with them to see them on their way. Then the LORD said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do? 18 Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him. 19 For I have chosen him, so that he will direct his children and his household after him to keep the way of the LORD by doing what is right and just, so that the LORD will bring about for Abraham what he has promised him.”
Then the LORD said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.”

The MEN TURNED AWAY and WENT toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before YAHWEH. Then Abraham approached him and said: “Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? … ”

Many say here God was invisible,that he was not one of the men,because it has that the men went to Sodom.But notice it says there were THREE MEN at the beginning,then in Genesis 19 we have:

GENESIS 19 AND 2 ANGELS

Genesis 19:1:

“And there came TWO ANGELS to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; ”

The word angels comes from the Greek ANGELOS,it means MESSENGER,and can be HUMAN or DIVINE.So there is no contradiction,they were heavenly messengers in human form.In Hebrew it is MALACH/MALAKH,or messenger,not to be confused with MELECH/MELEKH or KING.Notice only TWO people went to Sodom,so the third man was God as a human.

MARY JO SHARP OF CONFIDENTCHRISTIANITY.COM

Her website is:
http://confidentchristianity.com/

I had written of her before,she’s very good.She has 2 debates in youtube:

1) “Women in the Bible and the Koran”(Mary JO Sharp vs Tabasum Hussain)

2) “Did Jesus die on the Cross”(Mary Jo Sharp vs Ehteshaam Gulam):

Check it out!

DID CHRISTIANS COPY FROM MITHRAISM?

She has written a short article on it,and says no:

http://confidentchristianity.com/articles/Resurrection_Myths3-Mithras.html

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Barnabas Fund -Sujets de Prière Juin 2010

BARNABAS FUND – Sujets de Prière Juin 2010

EN EGYPTE – DES FRERES ADOLESCENTS CHRETIENS N’OBTIENNENT PAS GAIN DE CAUSE DEVANT LE TRIBUNAL

Le 30 mars un tribunal égyptien a rejeté l’appel de Camilia Lutfi contre le refus des autorités égyptiennes de remettre la mention « chrétien » sur les actes de naissance des ses fils jumeaux, Mario et Andrew. Lors de la naissance des jumeaux les deux parents étaient chrétiens, mais leur père, Medhat Ramsis, est devenu musulman par la suite. Selon la loi égyptienne, les enfants d’un parent qui se convertit à l’islam sont censés le suivre dans sa religion islamique jusqu’à l’âge de 15 ans ; ainsi Medhat a fait changer sur les actes de naissance  de Mario et Andrew la religion et ils sont maintenant déclarés comme « musulmans».

Le but du procès intenté par Camilia a été de remettre cette mention à « chrétien » avant qu’ils reçoivent leurs cartes d’identité nationales au moment de leur seizième anniversaire, le 24 juin. Si leurs cartes indiquent qu’ils sont musulmans mais ils se disent chrétiens, ils seront traités d’apostats, ce qui peut avoir des conséquences graves.

Cependant, ayant atteint l’âge de 15 ans, Mario et Andrew devraient normalement avoir le droit de choisir leur propre religion. Ils sont engagés avec le Seigneur, et disent, selon l’Agence d’Informations Internationale Assyrienne, « nous voulons rester chrétiens et n’avons aucun désir de devenir musulmans »

– Remerciez le Seigneur pour la persévérance et la foi en Jésus-Christ de Mario et d’Andrew. Priez pour leur famille et demandez au Seigneur de guider les autorités égyptiennes et de permettre que la véritable religion de ces garçons, le christianisme, paraisse sur leurs cartes d’identité.

EN INDE – UN EVANGELISTE A ETE BRUTALEMENT ASSASSINE

Ravi Murmu, un évangéliste chrétien de Jamalpur, dans l’état de Bihar, a été assassiné le 2 mai.

Il faisait partie d’un groupe d’évangélistes qui projetait le film « Jésus » à côté de Laxmanpur. Lorsqu’il n’est pas rentré chez lui cette nuit-là, des recherches ont été lancées ; son corps a été retrouvé avec la main droite sectionnée, ainsi que des entailles profondes dans sa gorge et d’autres parties de son corps. Ses effets personnels, y compris sa montre, son téléphone portable et sa moto ont été retrouvés près du corps, ce qui implique que la motivation de ce meurtre n’a pas été le vol. On nous signale que la police a arrêté deux personnes par rapport à ce meurtre.

Nous avons voulu savoir comment la famille de Ravi a réagi à son assassinat ; son frère, lui aussi évangéliste, a répondu que « La paix de Dieu règne toujours dans cette maison et dans les cœurs de la famille qui y habite ».

– Priez pour Rinku, la veuve de Ravi, pour Celesty, leur fille de 8 ans, ainsi que pour toutes les personnes qui l’ont connu et aimé.

EN IRAN, DES REPÖNSES A LA PRIERE

Le 21 mai Maryam Rostampour et Marzieh Amirzadeh ont été relaxées par rapport aux deux chefs d’accusation maintenus à leur encontre.

Ces deux dames, qui ont toutes les deux quitté l’islam pour devenir chrétiennes, ont été incarcérées en mars 2009, mises en examen pour « apostasie », « partage de la foi chrétienne » et « activités anti-gouvernementales ». Elles ont été détenues dans la prison mal famée d’Evin pendant 259 jours, jusqu’en novembre 2009 ; pendant ce temps elles ont subi de nombreuses interrogations et des périodes d’isolement cellulaire, à la suite desquelles elles sont devenues gravement malades.

Lorsqu’on leur a donné l’ordre de renoncer à leur foi chrétienne, ces dames ont riposté « Nous aimons le Seigneur Jésus. Oui, nous sommes des chrétiennes ».

Suite à leur relaxe, Maryam a dit « je n’ai aucun doute sur le fait que Dieu a entendu les prières de Son peuple ». Ces dames ont quitté l’Iran suite à une mise en garde de la part des autorités iraniennes disant que toute autre activité chrétienne de leur part aurait des conséquences graves.

Le Réseau d’Informations Chrétiennes à Farsi (FCNN) a également confirmé qu’Hamid Shafiee et Reyhaneh Aghajary, un couple marié qui a été arrêté le 28 février, a également été libéré et a pu rejoindre leurs fils. Ils ont été libérés respectivement le 19 et le 16 mai, après avoir versé une caution importante, à la suite de 80 et 77 jours d’incarcération. Ils devraient normalement comparaître devant la justice d’ici quelque temps.

– Louez Dieu pour la réponse à la prière en ce qui concerne Maryam et Marzieh. S’il vous plaît,

   priez pour qu’elles s’adaptent bien à la vie dans un autre pays.

– Remerciez le Seigneur également pour la libération d’Hamid et Reyhaneh, qui ont eux aussi été  

   soutenus par les prières d’un grand nombre de chrétiens. Priez pour que le Seigneur les

  accompagne avec leur famille, alors qu’ils font face à la possibilité d’être entendus en  

  audiences judiciaires à l’avenir. Priez aussi pour ceux et celles qui sont toujours incarcérés.

AU KENYA, UN COLLEGE DE JUGES S’EST PRONONCE EN FAVEUR DES RESPONSABLES CHRETIENS QUI ONT PORTE PLAINTE

Au Kenya, un collège de juges a statué disant que les tribunaux islamiques du pays sont illégaux et discriminatoires.

Les tribunaux islamiques « Kadhi » ont été créés à l’époque où le Kenya était encore une colonie britannique. Ces tribunaux traitent principalement des affaires de mariages et d’héritages pour la minorité musulmane au Kenya. En 2004, un groupe de responsables chrétiens a déposé une plainte pour s’opposer à la proposition d’accorder l’incorporation des tribunaux Kadhi dans la nouvelle constitution du Kenya, qui était en cours d’élaboration par le gouvernement à cette époque. De nombreux chrétiens craignaient que les propositions pour ces tribunaux aillent étendre l’autorité de la loi islamique (charia) au Kenya. Une autre crainte a été que ces propositions aillent saper l’un des principes de base de la constitution, celui de l’égalité devant la loi de tout citoyen du Kenya, quelque soit sa religion. Le collège de juges a donné raison aux chrétiens, concluant que le fait d’inclure les tribunaux Kadhi dans la constitution favoriserait implicitement une religion par rapport aux autres présentes également dans le pays. Par conséquent les tribunaux Kadhi sont inconstitutionnels parce que le Kenya est un pays laïc.

Cependant, le Procureur Général, Amos Wako, prétend que la décision du collège de juges est inconstitutionnelle et a exprimé l’intention de faire appel contre cette décision.

Un référendum au sujet de la nouvelle constitution est prévu pour le mois d’août.

– Louez le Seigneur pour la décision prise par les juges de juger en faveur des chrétiens. Priez pour que cette décision soit maintenue, même si le Procureur Général interjette appel

– Priez pour que toute référence aux tribunaux Kadhi soit complètement éliminée de la

  constitution avant qu’elle soit mise en application.

EN ERYTHREE, UNE DETENUE  CHRETIENNE MEURT EN PRISON

Une jeune chrétienne est morte dans l’une des prisons militaires mal famées de l’Erythrée, les autorités de la prison ayant refusé de la soigner.

Senait Oqbazgi Habta, âgée de 28 ans, était incarcérée en Erythrée depuis deux ans. Avec 15 autres étudiants universitaires, elle a été incarcérée pour avoir assisté à une étude biblique. Ils ont été détenus dans des containers métalliques, qui passent d’une chaleur intenable pendant la journée à un froid glacial la nuit. On nous informe qu’on lui a proposé la libération et des soins en échange de l’abandon de sa foi chrétienne. Senait est restée ferme dans la foi et elle est décédée le 23 avril, de paludisme et d’une grave anémie.

– Priez pour tous ceux et celles qui ont connu et aimé Senait, pour qu’ils expérimentent la paix et

   le réconfort du Seigneur. Priez pour les 15 autres étudiants, toujours détenus, pour qu’ils

   n’abandonnent pas leur foi chrétienne.

– Priez pour que le Seigneur intervienne en Erythrée pour y restituer la liberté et la justice, et

   pour que les chrétiens érythréens soient de bons témoins pour Jésus-Christ.

EN IRAQ, DES ETUDIANTS CHRETIENS ONT ETE BLESSES LORS D’UN ATTENTAT A LA BOMBE 

Le 2 mai, à Mosul, une bombe au bord de la route et une voiture piégée à proximité de la première bombe ont explosé, tuant un commerçant chrétien et blessant au moins 80 étudiants.

Les étudiants, qui venaient d’une ville habitée majoritairement par des chrétiens, voyageaient dans des bus qui les transportaient à l’Université de Mosul. La déflagration des bombes a déchiré

le côté de l’un des bus, et les impacts des éclats des bombes et du verre cassé ont laissé de nombreux étudiants étourdis et couverts de sang. La communauté chrétienne de Mosul devient de plus en plus préoccupée face à l’escalade incessante de la violence à leur encontre (voir notre communication du mois de mars 2010).

Le 11 mai des professeurs et des étudiants musulmans ont organisé un « sit-in » pour protester contre la violence anti-chrétienne, en exigeant que des démarches soient entreprises pour assurer la sécurité des étudiants chrétiens. Ils ont dit qu’ils ne reprendraient les cours que lorsque leurs collègues chrétiens reprendraient.

– Priez pour ceux et celles qui ont été blessés lors de la déflagration, et pour la famille du commerçant qui a été tué ; priez pour qu’ils expérimentent la guérison et le réconfort du Seigneur Jésus-Christ.

– Louez le Seigneur pour la solidarité des étudiants musulmans avec leurs collègues chrétiens, et priez pour que leur mouvement de protestation incite les autorités à prendre des mesures efficaces pour protéger les étudiants chrétiens ;

– Priez aussi pour que les chrétiens iraquiens expérimentent la paix de notre Seigneur, en dépit de la campagne de terreur dont ils sont les cibles.

EN OUZBEKISTAN, UNE IRRUPTION POLICIERE A EU LIEU PENDANT UN CULTE, SUIVI  D’UNE PERQUISITION ET DE L’ARRESTATION DE QUELQUES CHRETIENS

Le dimanche 16 mai, le culte du matin à l’Eglise de Christ de la ville de Tachkent a été l’objet d’une irruption de la part de la police et d’autres administrations. Huit membres de l’église ont été arrêtés et condamnés à de courtes peines de prison et des amendes.

A onze heures du matin, des policiers et des membres du Service de Sécurité Nationale (police secrète) sont entrés dans l’église pendant le culte, sans aucun mandat. Ils ont filmé toute l’assistance, y compris les enfants. Ils ont noté les données des passeports et les immatriculations des voitures des 500 adultes présents, ainsi que les noms et adresses des enfants. Ils ont perquisitionné dans les locaux pendant cinq heures, confisquant de la littérature, des ordinateurs et l’argent de l’offrande. Des membres des services fiscaux, des sapeurs pompiers et des autorités sanitaires ont eux aussi participé à la perquisition. A la suite de la perquisition, l’église a été scellée par la police, pour que les membres ne puissent plus y accéder, et les pompiers ont coupé le courant électrique.

Les personnes arrêtées ont été détenues pendant la nuit et ensuite obligées à se présenter devant un tribunal. Trois personnes, y compris le pasteur adjoint, Artur Avanesyan, ont été condamnées

à 15 jours d’emprisonnement, tandis que les cinq autres personnes ont dû régler des amendes allant de 5 à 80 fois le salaire minimum mensuel. Un chrétien qui a assisté au procès a dit « Nous avons tous été choqués par le verdict… il y a eu tant de vices de forme pendant l’audience ». Les chrétiens de la région prévoient de faire appel au Président de l’Ouzbékistan et à d’autres autorités.

Il y a eu un certain nombre de communications au sujet du harcèlement anti-chrétien dans des églises et lors d’événements chrétiens pendant les deux derniers mois (voir nos informations pour le mois de mai). L’Eglise de Christ de la ville de Tachkent, l’une des églises les plus grandes et les plus actives de la capitale du pays, a été inscrite officiellement auprès des autorités depuis 1999. Les représentants de l’église affirment avoir scrupuleusement observé les consignes réglementaires et n’avoir jamais auparavant été l’objet d’accusations d’infractions à la réglementation en vigueur. Les membres de l’église craignent que le véritable but de l’intervention administrative soit de fermer l’église définitivement. Une chrétienne qui est membre d’une église non-inscrite à Tachkent nous a dit qu’une attaque de cette nature sur une église totalement en règle la choquait profondément « S’ils font subir tout ça à l’Eglise de Christ,  

qu’est-ce qui va nous arriver? »

–  Priez, s’il vous plaît, pour nos frères et sœurs en Ouzbékistan, et plus spécialement pour le pasteur adjoint et les deux membres de l’église qui ont été incarcérés.

– Priez pour que les autorités ne ferment pas l’Eglise de Christ de la ville de Tachkent. Priez aussi pour que la loi soit modifiée en Ouzbékistan, permettant ainsi aux chrétiens de se rassembler et de louer le Seigneur ensemble sans crainte de harcèlement.  

AU NIGERIA, DES EGLISES ET LE DOMICILE D’UN PASTEUR ONT ETE DETRUITS PAR LE FEU

Deux églises et le domicile d’un pasteur ont été détruits par un groupe de jeunes musulmans à Kwasam, dans l’état de Kano, au nord du Nigeria ; il semblerait que certains membres de la communauté musulmane n’étaient pas contents de l’existence d’édifices utilisés par des chrétiens.

A 11 heures le 19 mai, un vieux bâtiment d’église et le domicile de son pasteur ont été incendiés, tandis qu’un bâtiment qui vient d’être terminé, censé remplacer l’ancienne église, a été démoli.

Tous les biens du pasteur ont été détruits par le feu, et on nous informe que le pasteur se cache, puisque certains membres de la foule destructrice ont déclaré qu’ils ne quitteront pas la région

avant qu’il soit mort.

– Priez pour que les membres de cette église restent solidaires les uns des autres et continuent à

louer le seigneur en dépit de la destruction de leur lieu de culte.

– Priez pour le pasteur qui se cache, pour qu’il trouve de la paix et du réconfort dans le Seigneur.                     

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