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About the Muslim and Skeptical Argument that the Barabbas who was released was really Jesus

In all 4 gospels there is the event where Pilate asks the crowd if they want him to release Jesus or Barabbas.The crowd chooses Barabbas.

In several early copies we have Pilate say if they wanted “JESUS BARABBAS or JESUS,the one called the MESSIAH?”to be released.Later copies have it only as Barabbas(no Jesus included).Scholars believe the original said Jesus Barabbas because there would have been no reason to add “Jesus” to Barabbas as an INTERPOLATION.

It is not surprising Barabbas should also have had Yeshua(Joshua,Jesus) as a name since it was a common Jewish name.

Bar-Abbas=Son of the Father

Then Jews had no last name.You were X,son of Y.The argument is the Barabbas-Jesus incident was invented or there was a confusion.The gospel writers got it confused.Or they invented the incident.Whatever happened Jesus Barabbas was simply Jesus of Nazareth,since:

1.In Aramaic Abbas means “Father” and Bar means “son”.

2.Father is also used in Judaism to refer to God(in the OT God is called Father about 15 times).

3.Jesus was the “Son of God”.

4.Jesus Son of God=Jesus Son of the Father=Jesus Bar-abbas.

So?

So 2 scholars Hyam Maccoby (1924-2004),a Jewish NT scholar and Benjamin Urretia (born 1950,from Ecuador),in his “The Logia (sayings) of Yeshua” have said that they think when “Jesus Barabbas” was released by Pilate it was really “Jesus of Nazareth”.That Jesus was known locally as Jesus Son of the Father since Jesus often referred to God as ABBA,as appears in the gospels.Later they invented the event of 2 separate Jesuses.

Abbas as a Name

The argument would have greater strength if Abbas were ONLY used as a TITLE.But:

1.The Talmud(500 AD) has many,many examples where Abbas is used as a PERSONAL NAME in the GEMARA.The Talmud is made up of 2 parts:

a.The Mishna

b.and the Gemara(which is in Aramaic).

2.Archeological evidence:

The word Abbas has been found as a personal name in a 1st century burial in Givat Ja-Mitvar.

3.Even in Islam

The greatest Iranian king after CYRUS,founder of the Achemenid dynasty,which was destroyed by Alexander the Great 200 years later, was SHAH ABBAS the GREAT (1571-1629),the greatest monarch of the Safavid dynasty.There was even a Shah Abbas II(1633-1666)and a Shah Abbas III(died 1740).

Conclusion

The argument was that Jesus Barabbas does NOT mean Jesus Son of X(whose real name is Abbas) and only Jesus Son of the Father(title),but the evidence shows Abbas was a person’s real name.

Check Out the Formidable Michael Licona

He is a great scholar and his website is:

http://www.risenjesus.com/

He also writes for:

http://answeringinfidels.com/

Check out his debate on the resurrection of Jesus with Bart Ehrman (very scholarly debate):

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What the "Koran for Dummies"(when written by a Muslim)will not tell Non-Muslims

This is for QUICK REFERENCE for the readers.They can copy it and show it to non-Muslims so THEY can form an opinion based on facts.

1.ALLAH PRAYS IN THE KORAN(not in “The Koran for Dummies”):

Allah in the Koran PRAYS upon Mohammed(sura 33:43/33:56).LITERAL word used in Arabic,”pray”.How can a Deity pray?To who?Muslims say it means “to bless”,yet the Arabic word doesn’t mean bless but pray.

2.HE WHO KILLS FOR ALLAH(like Ben Laden)GOES TO HEAVEN

Sura 9:111 says he who KILLS or is KILLED fighting for Allah goes to HEAVEN.It says he who kills,not only he who is killed.Read it,exact words.

3.JEWS ARE CURSED BY ALLAH(declared EVIL)TILL DAY OF RESURRECTION

It says Allah has “established ENMITY and HATRED among them(the Jews) till the DAY of RESURRECTION.”It is saying “Jews are evil and Allah made it so”,Judeophobia.Read it,I am not inventing it:sura 5:64.

GOOD THING IN THE KORAN BUT….THERE ARE CONDITIONS

1.FREE SLAVES BUT…ONLY IF YOU THINK THEY ARE WORTHY OF IT

Koran says to FREE slaves but it is CONDITIONAL,only if the master thinks they are WORTH IT,good enough.Read it:sura 24:33.It is NOT:”All have the right to freedom,it is SOME can be free,others not.”

BE KIND,HAVE LOVE AND MERCY FOR WOMEN BUT….

Treat women WELL:
a.sura 30:21:Allah has put “LOVE and MERCY”between man and woman
b.sura 4:19:”treat women with KINDNESS”

But it is CONDITIONAL:
Sura 2:223:the wife is a TILTH/FIELD of the husband and he can go to the FIELD(her) WHENEVER he wants.

TEXT:
2:223:”Your women are your TILTH/FIELD and you go to your TILTH/FIELD as you like.”

No consent asked.A FIELD is your PROPERTY,so she is like his property,you can do with your property as you wish.
4:19 says to”treat women with KINDNESS”,also CONDITIONAL since in the SAME chapter,a few verses later,it says the husband can BEAT her(4:34).

SLAVES FOR SEX ALLOWED(even if you are MARRIED)

It is in 23:5-6/70:29-30 where she “who your right hand possesses” is universally understood as meaning “your slave.”Nobody doubts it.

Now if the WIFE can be treated like PROPERTY,and CANNOT refuse her husband,then the SLAVE GIRL,who really is PROPERTY can NOT either,she can NOT have more rights than the wife.

VERIFY WITH 10 TRANSLATIONS

I recently found this website with TEN Koran translations(6 by Muslims,4 by non-Muslims,plus the ARABIC text in LATIN letters).
The way to find a sura there is like this:
1.First,in the BLANK SPACE on TOP write “sura 2:223”,for example.
2.Then CHOOSE which of the 10 translators(better all)and if you want choose the Arabic text also,and then press SUBMIT(in the UPPER part,under the blank space )and it will give you the verse.

http://www.quranbrowser.com/

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Da'wa – Islamic mission

Islam, like Christianity, has a missionary dimension, and
actively seeks to make converts. Da‘wa (literally meaning
“call” or “invitation”) is the name Muslims give to their
missionary work i.e. a call or invitation to Islam. Muslims
are active in da‘wa all around the world, in Muslim contexts
and in non-Muslim contexts, particularly Africa. There is
also much da‘wa work taking place in the West.
Yahya (Jonathan) Birt, son of Lord Birt, former Director
of the BBC, and a convert to Islam, told the London Asharq
Alawsat newspaper in August 2006 that there were 16,000
converts to Islam in Britain. He claimed that there were
many celebrities among them. Some observers think the
numbers are much higher; one suggestion is 60,000. Well
known British converts to Islam include Yusuf Islam (Cat
Stevens) the former pop singer who converted in 1977;
Jemima Goldsmith, socialite millionaire’s daughter who
married Pakistani cricket star Imran Khan in 1995; Yvonne
Ridley, a journalist captured by the Taliban who converted
on her release in 2001; and world snooker champion Ronnie
O’Sullivan, who converted in 2003.
A similar trend of conversion to Islam is noticeable in
all Western states. A study financed by the German Federal
Ministry of the Interior and conducted by the Islam-Archive
Central Institute found that approximately 4,000 Germans
converted to Islam in 2006 alone. In the USA it is estimated
that the number of converts to Islam could be as high as
1.2 million; of these some 55% are thought to be African-
Americans.
A significant number of converts in the West are
white women, some disillusioned with the breakdown of
community and spirituality in Western society. Others fall in
love with Muslim men and want to marry them. In Islam,
marriage to non-Muslim women is a legitimate means of
da‘wa. Some Muslim men deliberately target vulnerable
Western women for marriage, sometimes to obtain visas,
other times for temporary companionship and sexual
gratification while they are away from their home country.
Some converts in the West are male prisoners, often of
African or Caribbean origin, who seem to embrace Islam as
a way of retaliating against the society that locked them up.
One example is Richard Reid, the 2001 “shoe-bomber”.
A multitude of books, pamphlets and internet websites
give guidance on how to become a Muslim. These stress the
simplicity and ease of the act of conversion, which consists
of reciting the Islamic creed (the shahada): “There is no god
but God and Muhammad is the apostle of God.”

Islamic missionIslam, like Christianity, has a missionary dimension, andactively seeks to make converts. Da‘wa (literally meaning“call” or “invitation”) is the name Muslims give to theirmissionary work i.e. a call or invitation to Islam. Muslimsare active in da‘wa all around the world, in Muslim contextsand in non-Muslim contexts, particularly Africa. There isalso much da‘wa work taking place in the West.Yahya (Jonathan) Birt, son of Lord Birt, former Directorof the BBC, and a convert to Islam, told the London AsharqAlawsat newspaper in August 2006 that there were 16,000converts to Islam in Britain. He claimed that there weremany celebrities among them. Some observers think thenumbers are much higher; one suggestion is 60,000. Wellknown British converts to Islam include Yusuf Islam (CatStevens) the former pop singer who converted in 1977;Jemima Goldsmith, socialite millionaire’s daughter whomarried Pakistani cricket star Imran Khan in 1995; YvonneRidley, a journalist captured by the Taliban who convertedon her release in 2001; and world snooker champion RonnieO’Sullivan, who converted in 2003.A similar trend of conversion to Islam is noticeable inall Western states. A study financed by the German FederalMinistry of the Interior and conducted by the Islam-ArchiveCentral Institute found that approximately 4,000 Germansconverted to Islam in 2006 alone. In the USA it is estimatedthat the number of converts to Islam could be as high as1.2 million; of these some 55% are thought to be African-Americans.A significant number of converts in the West arewhite women, some disillusioned with the breakdown ofcommunity and spirituality in Western society. Others fall inlove with Muslim men and want to marry them.1 In Islam,marriage to non-Muslim women is a legitimate means ofda‘wa. Some Muslim men deliberately target vulnerableWestern women for marriage, sometimes to obtain visas,other times for temporary companionship and sexualgratification while they are away from their home country.Some converts in the West are male prisoners, often ofAfrican or Caribbean origin, who seem to embrace Islam asa way of retaliating against the society that locked them up.One example is Richard Reid, the 2001 “shoe-bomber”.A multitude of books, pamphlets and internet websitesgive guidance on how to become a Muslim. These stress thesimplicity and ease of the act of conversion, which consistsof reciting the Islamic creed (the shahada): “There is no godbut God and Muhammad is the apostle of God.”

All one needs to do is pronounce the “Shahada”, the testimony of faith, without further delay. The “Shahada” is the first and most important of the five pillars of Islam.

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A Modern Muslim Argument that Sura 65:4 is not about Pre-Puberty Wives

AL-TALAQ(the divorce),chapter 65:1 begins as:
“O Prophet! When you DIVORCE women, divorce them at their prescribed periods, and count (accurately), their prescribed periods.”

THEN…
65:4:”And for such of your WOMEN( in Arabic,NISA) as despair of menstruation, if you doubt, their period (of waiting) will be three months, and for those who have NOT had their MENSTRUATION.”

SURA tells us 65:4 refers to wives who have not menstruated,who you will divorce.

USE OF WORD NISA

It means WOMEN in Arabic.Some Muslims say that excludes that “those who have NOT had menstruation” means PRE-PUBERTY wives.There are problems:

1.The word WOMAN in other languages is used to mean WIFE depending on CONTEXT.French and Spanish have a general word for human female(FEMME/ MUJER) and a specific one for a WIFE(EPOUSE/ ESPOSA).In practice FEMME/MUJER(in Spain,not in Latinamerica)are used as the equivalent of WIFE.”Elle est ma FEMME”/”Ella es mi MUJER” always means “She is my WIFE” unless the CONTEXT says she is your unwed lover.
2.If the man has a PRE-PUBERTY wife,the phrases “Elle est ma FEMME”/”Ella es mi MUJER” are STILL used.Everybody knows the wife is a child but uses it anyway.

SO?
A number of perfect speakers of ARABIC have known that NISA means WOMEN yet have said it applies to PRE-MENSTRUATION wives anyway.Obviously Arabic for WOMAN didn’t 100% apply to ADULT WOMEN when the CONTEXT said WOMAN was the equivalent of WIFE.In Arabic the specific word for WIFE is ZAWAJA,yet it’s obvious by the context of the Koran that “women” here means “wives” otherwise how are you going to DIVORCE them?

IBN KATHIR(1301-1373)(born in Syria)
He was the greatest Muslim commentator on the Koran.He wrote a book of commentary/interpretation of it.Muslims call such a book a TAFSIR.TAFSIR IBN KATHIR says in the FIRST paragraph on 65:4:
“Allah the Exalted clarifies the waiting period of the woman in menopause. And that is the one whose menstruation has stopped due to her older age. Her `Iddah is three months instead of the three monthly cycles for those who menstruate, which is based upon the Ayah in (Surat) Al-Baqarah. [see 2:228] The SAME for the YOUNG, who have NOT REACHED reached the years of MENSTRUATION.”

http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=65&tid=54223

TAFSIR AL-JALALAYN:
Tafsir al-Jalalayn is one of the most significant tafsirs for the study of the Koran. Composed by the two JALALS, Jalal al-Din al-Mahalli (d.1459) and his pupil Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti (d.1505), Tafsir al-Jalalayn is generally regarded as one of the most easily accessible works because of its simple style and one volume length.

In the FIRST paragraph on 65:4 we have:
“And [as for] those of your women who (read allā’ī or allā’i in both instances) no longer expect to menstruate, if you have any doubts, about their waiting period, their prescribed [waiting] period shall be three months, and [also for] those WHO have NOT yet MENSTRUATED, BECAUSE of their YOUNG AGE, their period shall [also] be three months.”

http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=1&tTafsirNo=74&tSoraNo=65&tAyahNo=4&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2

TAFSIR IBN ABBAS
Some attribute this to IBN ABBAS,a cousin of Mohammed(died 687 AD),others to another who lived in the 15th century.
Here on 65:4 it says that “those who have NOT menstruated” means PRE-PUBERTY girls.
http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=2&tTafsirNo=73&tSoraNo=65&tAyahNo=4&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2

TAFSIR AL-TABARI (838-923)another great commentator,a Sunni Persian.He also says 65:4 means wifes who have not YET menstruated.

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Allah in the Koran is not All-Knowing

In 625 AD was the battle of UHUD,near Mecca,where 3,000 Meccans defeatd 1,000 Muslims.The Muslims were in shock.Allah says he let them be defeated so he COULD KNOW who was a real believer,who wasn’t.

Sura 3:140:

“If you have received a blow, the (disbelieving) people have received a blow the like thereof. These are the vicissitudes which We cause to follow one another for mankind, to the END that ALLAH MAY KNOW those WHO BELIEVE and MAY CHOOSE WITNESSES from AMONG YOU; and Allah loves not wrong-doers.”

Mecca today

Mecca today

English translations

The 3 Muslims(PICKTHAL(British convert)/SHAKIR/YUSUFALI) all say “MAY KNOW” in regard to Allah:
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/003.qmt.html

SPANISH TRANSLATION(by Muslims)

It is written:

“para que(so that/in order to) Allah DISTINGA (verb “differentiate”)QUIENES (who) son los que creen(verb”to believe”).”

http://www.nurelislam.com/coran/index.htm

FRENCH TRANSLATION(by Muslims)

It has:

“AFIN(so that/in order to) que DIEU RECONNAISSE CEUX(God SHOULD RECONIZE those) qui ONT CRU(have believed).”

http://oumma.com/coran/afficher.php?NumSourate=3

Giving due credit

The info comes from NAKDIMON,who participates in answeringmuslims.com.I found the information in one of his youtube videos(rebuttals to SAMI ZAATARI,a Muslim).It is in minute 1:45 of his video.He is Jewish and also a believer in Jesus:

Here is the beginning of his rebuttal of SAMI ZAATARI:

ANOTHER JEWISH BELIEVER IN JESUS

JOEL ROSENBERG identifies with the Jewish people.His father is Jewish(and also a Jesus believer),his mother non-Jewish.His father’s parents were Orthodox Jews.His has written 2 GREAT BOOKS:

1.The novel THE EZEKIEL OPTION:

Iran with the help of GOG(Russian dictator) tries to destroy Israel.It has a great love story in it also,plus an ex-director of Mosad who had become a believer in Jesus.

http://www.amazon.com/Ezekiel-Option-Political-Thrillers/dp/1414303440/ref=pd_sim_b_7

2.The non-fiction book INSIDE THE REVOLUTION:HOW THE FOLLOWERS OF JIHAD,JEFFERSON AND JESUS ARE BATTLING TO DOMINATE THE MIDDLE EAST AND TRANSFORM IT (it has about how many Muslims are becoming Christian,with 1 MILLION having done so in IRAN):

http://www.amazon.com/Inside-Revolution-Followers-Jefferson-Transform/dp/1414319312/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1272231868&sr=1-1

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Slavery,the Koran and the Bible

The Koran says to free slaves but it is CONDITIONAL:
SURA 24:33:
“Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until Allah gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your SLAVES ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if you know ANY GOOD in them: give them something yourselves out of the means which Allah has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that you may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/024.qmt.html

ANALYSIS
It is not the same thing as saying:”ALL have the RIGHT to FREEDOM.”It says:”Freedom is if they are worthy of it.”

FREEDOM OF SLAVES IN MOSAIC LAW

1.EVERY SLAVE THAT ESCAPES IS FREE(LITERAL words used)

DEUT 23:15-16:
“You will NOT give back to his master the SLAVE who has ESCAPED from his master to you.He may dwell with you in your midst, in the place which he chooses within one of your gates, where it seems best to him; you will not OPPRESS him.”

2.EVERY 50 YEARS ALL SLAVES WILL BE FREED(literal words used)

LEVITICUS 25:10:
“And you will consecrate the FIFTIETH YEAR, and proclaim LIBERTY throughout all the LAND to ALL its INHABITANTS. It will be a Jubilee for you; and each of you will return to his possession, and each of you shall return to his family.”

IN THE NT

PAUL says in 1 COR 7:20-21:
“Let each one remain in the same calling in which he was called.Were you called while a SLAVE? Do not be concerned about it; but if you can BECOME FREE,do it.”

ANALYSIS
PAUL says to THE SLAVE that he can get freedom BY HIMELF.In the Koran it is with the permission of the master.

WHY?
Because in the Antiquite there was alot of injustice.MANY became slaves due to KIDNAPPING.

EXAMPLE:JULIUS CEASAR

He was captured by PIRATES when a young man.An enormous amount was asked for his freedom.If he had not got it then Julius Ceaser would have been SOLD as a SLAVE by the pirates.In spite of it,when Ceaser conquered Gaul(France) he SOLD 1 MILLION of its inhabitants as slaves.

JESUS SAYS HE IS THE SLAVE OF ALL

MARK 10:43-45:
“Yet it will not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you shall be your servant.And whoever of you desires to be FIRST will be SLAVE of ALL.For even the SON OF MAN did NOT come to be served, BUT TO SERVE, and to give His life a ransom for many.”

THE GOLDEN RULE AND HEBREWS

HEBREUX 13:3:
“Remember the PRISONER as if YOU were in PRISONER. And remember those who are TREATED BADLY as if you yourselves were suffering.”

SLAVES are also PRISONERS,they are not free.

CONDEMNATION OF SLAVE TRAFICKING

It is in REVELATION 18:10-13 and also in 1 TIMOTHY 1:8-10(Young’s Literal Translation):
“And we have known that the law is good, if any one may use it lawfully;
having known this, that for a righteous man law is not set, but for lawless and insubordinate persons, ungodly and sinners, impious and profane, parricides and matricides, men-slayers,whoremongers, sodomites, MEN-STEALERS, liars, perjured persons,and if there be any other thing that to sound doctrine is adverse.”
http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/

DEBATES,DEBATES,DEBATES!

For those who are hungry they can hear alot of debates between Christians(like WILLIAM CRAIG,MICHAEL LICONA,DINESH D’SOUZA.ALISTAIR MCGRATH,the astonishing GARY HABERMAS,etc) and non-Christians(DAN BARKER,HECTOR AVALOS,EHRMAN,etc) on alot of issues (Does God exist? Did Jesus Resurrect?etc)

http://bringyou.to/apologetics/audio.htm

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200th South Park episode featuring Mohammed, the prophet of Islam

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It’s some excerpts from the 200th episode of South Park, which has just gone out. (The YouTube account shows it in mirror image, for some reason.) In it, the league of “super best friends” – that is the founders of all the world’s major religions – appear again. With one exception: Mohammed, who is not allowed to be seen. “The world has changed”, Jesus tells the kids. But the nature of Mo’s superpower soon becomes clear and a group of celebrities, including Tom Cruise, decide that they want it too. And what is the special power? That no one is allowed to criticise him.

Here is another video where South Park co-creators Matt Stone and Trey Parker speak with Boing Boing’s Xeni Jardin about the 200th episode of the hit Comedy Central series, and plans to revisit battles over the boundaries of what can and cannot be done on television — including how many celebrities they can piss off in a single episode, and whether Comedy Central will stop them from showing the image and voice of a cartoon version of the Muslim prophet Mohammed.

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